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I found this thought-provoking item while poking around today....
Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why?
by Thomas Simon
Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree?
Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them?
Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men?
If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody?
Why do we have a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men?
Why is it funny when a woman kicks a man in the groin but terrible if a man did the same to a woman - won't the man be in more pain?
Why is it terrible for a woman to be raped once but funny when male prisoners get raped over and over?
Why is a man a wimp if he lets his wife beat up on him but a criminal if he defends himself?
Why does women’s health get much more attention when men die about seven years younger than women?
Why do we complain about legislators being mostly male when they always promote women’s rights and never promote men’s rights?
Why is it sexist to have clubs for only men but empowering to have them for only women?
If women only make 72 cents for the same work where a man earns a dollar, why don’t companies hire only women and put the competition out of business?
How do police know who to arrest when there is a domestic disturbance involving lesbians?
Why do married women complain that their husbands don’t want to change a baby’s diaper but divorced women say their ex-husbands can’t take care of a child?
Why do men that don’t pay child support go to prison but nothing ever happens to women that don’t allow visitation?
If women-in-the-military is such a good thing, why don’t they have to register for the draft?
Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else?
Why is it legal for women to lie to men about who the father of a baby is to get child support, but a crime if she tells the same lie to the government to get Social Security or military benefits?
Why do women have to prove they spent the money on the children when they collect welfare but don’t have to do the same when they collect child support?
Why do we have to cut men’s sports that have fans to create women’s sports that don’t?
Why do women tennis players win the same prize money as men when they only play three sets and men play five - isn't that equal pay for less work?
Why is it called sexual freedom when a married woman commits adultery but called cheating when a man does the same?
Why are female murderers presumed to be mentally ill but male murderers presumed to be killers?
Why do men have to support women at the same standard of living following divorce when women don’t even have to cook and clean his new apartment?
If divorced women have it worse than divorced men, why do divorced men commit suicide eight or ten times as much as divorced women?
Why do we pretend that men walk out on their wives and children when women initiate about eighty percent of divorces?
Why is it considered sexist to have a couple of television shows geared towards men when there are several channels catering only to women?
Why are television moms always portrayed as wonderful and loving and television dads always portrayed as inept buffoons?
Why is it politically incorrect to say anything negative about women but funny to put men down?
Why are women without a job considered to be exercising free choice but men without a job considered a bum?
Why do feminists demand that women be equally represented in high paying and powerful jobs but don’t complain when low-paying, dirty, and dangerous jobs remain mostly done by men?
Why do we have to say “Chairperson” and “Congressperson” but its ok to say “garbage man” and “bad guy”?
Why do we always hear the phrase “innocent women and children” but never hear about “innocent men” or “men and children”?
Why do news headlines use the terms “student”, “spouse”, or “parent” when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms “boy”, “husband”, or “father” when a boy, man, or father does something wrong?
Why do feminists demand equal results for traditionally male roles but object to equal or shared parenting after divorce?
Why does the term “angry mother” sound like someone that needs our help and support and the term “angry father” sound like someone that needs to be arrested and forced into anger management classes?
Why is it that when men are more successful than women it's because women are oppressed, but when women are more successful than men it's because men are lazy?
Why are only women free to criticize other women without being labeled anti-women, but both men and women are free to criticize men?
Why are feminists pushing for laws that prevent new laws from being passed that protect men from women, such as with domestic violence against men, false allegations by women, or paternity fraud?
Why is it that when a woman accuses a man of rape, the man's name is made public and he is presumed guilty, but when he is proven innocent the woman remains anonymous and the man is still ruined?
Why is it considered woman-hating or whining to point it out when women have something better than men, but we rush to pass new laws if men might have something better than women?
Why is it that we've had forty years and billions of dollars going into women's rights and men's responsibilities, but it's taboo in most circles to even suggest that maybe it's time to consider men's rights and women's responsibilities a little bit for a change?
If those who always side with women are feminists and those who always side with men are chauvinists, why don't we have a wing of a political party and billions in funding going to chauvinists when we have that for feminists?
For those who believe men had it better than women in the past and believe now it's time for women to have it better than men for a while, why don't they advocate whites being forced into slavery to blacks?
Why are men considered more privileged than women with so many double standards against men?
Double Standards: Ever Wonder Why?
by Thomas Simon
Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree?
Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them?
Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men?
If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody?
Why do we have a Violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men?
Why is it funny when a woman kicks a man in the groin but terrible if a man did the same to a woman - won't the man be in more pain?
Why is it terrible for a woman to be raped once but funny when male prisoners get raped over and over?
Why is a man a wimp if he lets his wife beat up on him but a criminal if he defends himself?
Why does women’s health get much more attention when men die about seven years younger than women?
Why do we complain about legislators being mostly male when they always promote women’s rights and never promote men’s rights?
Why is it sexist to have clubs for only men but empowering to have them for only women?
If women only make 72 cents for the same work where a man earns a dollar, why don’t companies hire only women and put the competition out of business?
How do police know who to arrest when there is a domestic disturbance involving lesbians?
Why do married women complain that their husbands don’t want to change a baby’s diaper but divorced women say their ex-husbands can’t take care of a child?
Why do men that don’t pay child support go to prison but nothing ever happens to women that don’t allow visitation?
If women-in-the-military is such a good thing, why don’t they have to register for the draft?
Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing boys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else?
Why is it legal for women to lie to men about who the father of a baby is to get child support, but a crime if she tells the same lie to the government to get Social Security or military benefits?
Why do women have to prove they spent the money on the children when they collect welfare but don’t have to do the same when they collect child support?
Why do we have to cut men’s sports that have fans to create women’s sports that don’t?
Why do women tennis players win the same prize money as men when they only play three sets and men play five - isn't that equal pay for less work?
Why is it called sexual freedom when a married woman commits adultery but called cheating when a man does the same?
Why are female murderers presumed to be mentally ill but male murderers presumed to be killers?
Why do men have to support women at the same standard of living following divorce when women don’t even have to cook and clean his new apartment?
If divorced women have it worse than divorced men, why do divorced men commit suicide eight or ten times as much as divorced women?
Why do we pretend that men walk out on their wives and children when women initiate about eighty percent of divorces?
Why is it considered sexist to have a couple of television shows geared towards men when there are several channels catering only to women?
Why are television moms always portrayed as wonderful and loving and television dads always portrayed as inept buffoons?
Why is it politically incorrect to say anything negative about women but funny to put men down?
Why are women without a job considered to be exercising free choice but men without a job considered a bum?
Why do feminists demand that women be equally represented in high paying and powerful jobs but don’t complain when low-paying, dirty, and dangerous jobs remain mostly done by men?
Why do we have to say “Chairperson” and “Congressperson” but its ok to say “garbage man” and “bad guy”?
Why do we always hear the phrase “innocent women and children” but never hear about “innocent men” or “men and children”?
Why do news headlines use the terms “student”, “spouse”, or “parent” when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms “boy”, “husband”, or “father” when a boy, man, or father does something wrong?
Why do feminists demand equal results for traditionally male roles but object to equal or shared parenting after divorce?
Why does the term “angry mother” sound like someone that needs our help and support and the term “angry father” sound like someone that needs to be arrested and forced into anger management classes?
Why is it that when men are more successful than women it's because women are oppressed, but when women are more successful than men it's because men are lazy?
Why are only women free to criticize other women without being labeled anti-women, but both men and women are free to criticize men?
Why are feminists pushing for laws that prevent new laws from being passed that protect men from women, such as with domestic violence against men, false allegations by women, or paternity fraud?
Why is it that when a woman accuses a man of rape, the man's name is made public and he is presumed guilty, but when he is proven innocent the woman remains anonymous and the man is still ruined?
Why is it considered woman-hating or whining to point it out when women have something better than men, but we rush to pass new laws if men might have something better than women?
Why is it that we've had forty years and billions of dollars going into women's rights and men's responsibilities, but it's taboo in most circles to even suggest that maybe it's time to consider men's rights and women's responsibilities a little bit for a change?
If those who always side with women are feminists and those who always side with men are chauvinists, why don't we have a wing of a political party and billions in funding going to chauvinists when we have that for feminists?
For those who believe men had it better than women in the past and believe now it's time for women to have it better than men for a while, why don't they advocate whites being forced into slavery to blacks?
Why are men considered more privileged than women with so many double standards against men?
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Re: Double Standards
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 12:14 AMThis is a long litany of complaints that will provoke a cacophony of rants. I'd rather see some focus on facts about which there can be hardly discussion.
1. There is an irrefutable biological difference between men and women in the generation of children.
2. Most people who break the law and do time in prison are men - I mean it is overwhelming ca. 90% perhaps
So these are pretty definite differences - biological and social - and perhaps reasons for "double standards". What should they be?
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Re: Double Standards
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 1:19 AMSome interesting thoughts you have presented. While I agree with a lot of what is being presented, I will answer most of your questions with this generalization:
For thousands of years woman have been the property of men. Women couldn't even vote until a while ago.
Women are still considered to be property in many countries on the planet too. Girl children are still killed in certain countries on the planet just for being female.
So, there was a wave of legislation in some countries, social changes, etc. that were instituted over the last few decades. And yes, I have experienced some of the flaws of the domestic violence laws, so I know that they are flawed. But, we have tried to right the inequality that women do experience on this planet. Yes, there are problems. Have women been given more rights than men? No. Has the inequality been corected? No.
The question is, do we go back to having women as slaves/property or do we advance and fine tune or change the laws that are in effect now?
I have a daughter that I want to grow up experiencing being a human being that has all the rights of any other human being, without respect to gender.
Standing up for men's rights while empowering the rights of women is the way for me. If it is a little harder with all the advances women have experienced, so be it. I personally don't let any of this stop me from exercising my rights.
FYI. While I agree with the generalizations about violence commited by women towards men and children, the press and conventional wisdom present a different view. So, I agree, facts would help this argument. -
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Re: Double Standards
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 12:17 PMThank you for your thoughts Karl; allow me to respond.
"For thousands of years woman have been the property of men. Women couldn't even vote until a while ago."
This may be true, but I fail to see why that should be our problem now. Much like it is not my problem, here and now, that blacks used to be slaves. Very few American women are born into slave-like conditions anymore. What I have experienced is an 'old-guard' of feminists who are still teaching privileged young women that they are still being oppressed and that it is their duty to be suspicious, if not outright contemptuous, of men -- as though things have not changed at all since the 1920s or the 1960s. Personally I do not like being labeled as a suspicious or dangerous person when I have done absolutely nothing wrong -- especially by someone who I may be attracted to or be getting romantically involved with. At this point it is as though men are presumed guilty until proven innocent. That has been my experience at least, and I consider that relevant in and of itself.
"Women are still considered to be property in many countries on the planet too. Girl children are still killed in certain countries on the planet just for being female."
Again, true, but I do not live in such a country and I certainly don't condone such actions. Why should I be punished here for what other men have done or continue to do elsewhere? I think serious feminists ought to be much more concerned with what is going on in places like that than with what is going on in the US, where women are largely equal and in many ways favored.
"Yes, there are problems. Have women been given more rights than men? No. Has the inequality been corected? No."
There are many ways in which women have more rights than men. Abortion and parenting rights come to mind. Also the inequity in sexual harassment, domestic violence, and statuatory rape issues. Education is increasingly geared to do a better job teaching girls than boys, and the system is now biased so that girls receive opporunities ahead of boys in many cases. It has reached the point where girls are routinely outpacing boys in academic performance in most fields. Is this because women are finally "stepping up to the plate", or is it a result of feminist-oriented reforms geared to generate more academic interest in women while doing nothing for boys?
"FYI. While I agree with the generalizations about violence commited by women towards men and children, the press and conventional wisdom present a different view. So, I agree, facts would help this argument."
The conventional wisdom and especially the press have been proven wrong about many things many many times before. I think it is a little fallacious to assume something to be true just based on what the press projects (which is largely for marketing purposes anyway) or what the culture at large assumes.
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I am not an activist, so I don't make it my mission to present intricately detailed arguments or provide footnotes. I simply found the above list (which I did not write) and I found it relevant, so I posted it here.
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Re: Double Standards
Wed, January 31, 2007 - 2:18 PMLet's revise these statements a bit, for the sake of distributing more accurate information...
Karl: "For thousands of years woman have been the property of men."
More accurately, for many millenia both men and women were the property of the ruling class. For a brief period (relatively speaking) of Western (not Eastern or pre-Columbian American) history, women were the property of men, just as you suggest.
Karl: "Women couldn't even vote until a while ago."
More accurately, until about 225 years ago, neither men nor women could vote, and the distance of time that ALL men could vote and NO women could vote was less than 50 years. -
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Re: Double Standards
Fri, February 2, 2007 - 2:12 AMActually, if we want accurate information, we would have to revise almost every statement in the initial posting of this thread. I was going with that flow of casting broad, sweeping and innacuarate characterizations and giving no facts.
The main problem I have with the introductory post here is that it is a bunch of whinning and bitching. Let's get those damn women to shut up already is kinda the message I hear here.
What does that have to do with men's rights? Do men think that if women get overcompensated in some areas to make up for all the areas in which men are overcompensated that somehow men lose out? Don't we all win if we strive for equal rights? Last I checked, men still have more rights than women in most areas.
I merely was trying to say that I personally think the best way for men to stand up for our rights is to do in a way that doesn't take away rights from women or children or other men. The tone of this original article seems to imply that we need to beat down these damn women because, dammit, they don't let us have any fun anymore.
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Re: Double Standards
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 12:42 PMThat article is so full of statements of facts that are not true I don't even know where to begin.
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Re: Double Standards
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 12:48 PMMy counter for the women's rights movement always has been...
"Sure, you can be in charge of attempting to run the world and appease everyone all at once - I'm ready for a vacation and quite frankly, tired of the criticism."
It will certainly be nice after the backswing comes around (if we live that long). -
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Re: Double Standards
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 8:05 PMYou are wrong here.
The goal is not to distort teh social system the other way but to get it to equilibrium. How? By noting where the largest distortions of equality are and correcting them. Also by noting how women and men are similar and where they are of necessity different.
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Re: Double Standards
Thu, January 4, 2007 - 3:20 PMGod bless you for posting these questions ...
May all the women read them ...
Hope you've all seen the movie ' Borat ' and seen the part where he accosts the feminists ... as well as his show " Da Ali G show " ... Beautiful stuff ...
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Re: Double Standards
Fri, January 5, 2007 - 11:08 AMMen and Women are not equal, will never be equal and should not be confused in thinking they will ever be equal.
