Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

topic posted Tue, February 7, 2006 - 6:51 PM by  offlineEvan
www.latimes.com/news/opini...2196.column

From the Los Angeles Times
MEGHAN DAUM
Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?
Meghan Daum

December 10, 2005

FOR PRO-CHOICERS like myself, Supreme Court nominee Samuel A. Alito Jr.'s position regarding spousal consent for abortion seems like one more loose rock in the ongoing erosion of Roe vs. Wade. Even those of us who are too young to remember the pre-Roe era often see any threat to abortion rights as a threat to our very destinies. We are, after all, the generation that grew up under Title IX, singing along to "Free to Be You and Me" (you know, the 1972 children's record where Marlo Thomas and Alan Alda remind us that mommies can be plumbers and boys can have dolls). When it comes to self-determination, we're as determined as it gets.

But even though I was raised believing in the inviolability of a woman's right to choose, the older I get, the more I wonder if this idea of choice is being fairly applied.

Most people now accept that women, especially teenagers, often make decisions regarding abortion based on educational and career goals and whether the father of the unborn child is someone they want to hang around with for the next few decades. The "choice" in this equation is not only a matter of whether to carry an individual fetus to term but a question of what kind of life the woman wishes to lead.

But what about the kind of life men want to lead? On Dec. 1, Dalton Conley, director of the Center for Advanced Social Science Research at New York University, published an article on the Op-Ed page of the New York Times arguing that Alito's position on spousal consent did not go far enough.

Describing his own experience with a girlfriend who terminated a pregnancy against his wishes, Conley took some brave steps down the slippery slope of this debate, suggesting that if a father is willing to assume full responsibility for a child not wanted by a mother, he should be able to obtain an injunction stopping her from having an abortion — and he should be able to do so regardless of whether or not he's married to her.

Conley freely acknowledges the many obvious caveats in this position — the most salient being the fact that regardless of how "full" that male responsibility might be, the physical burden of pregnancy and childbirth will always put most of the onus on women. But as much as I shudder at the idea of a man, husband or not, obtaining an injunction telling me what I can or cannot do with my own body, I would argue that it is Conley who has not gone far enough.

Since we're throwing around radical ideas about abortion rights, let me raise this question: If abortion is to remain legal and relatively unrestricted — and I believe it should — why shouldn't men have the right during at least the first trimester of pregnancy to terminate their legal and financial rights and responsibilities to the child?

As Conley laments, the law does not currently allow for men to protect the futures of the fetuses they help create. What he doesn't mention — indeed, no one ever seems to — is the degree to which men also cannot protect their own futures. The way the law is now, a man who gets a woman pregnant is not only powerless to force her to terminate the pregnancy, he also has a complete legal obligation to support that child for at least 18 years.

In other words, although women are able to take control of their futures by choosing from at least a small range of options — abortion, adoption or keeping the child — a man can be forced to be a father to a child he never wanted and cannot financially support. I even know of cases in which the woman absolves the man of responsibility, only to have the courts demand payment anyway. That takes the notion of "choice" very far from anything resembling equality.

I realize I've just alienated feminists (among whose ranks I generally count myself) as well as pro-lifers, neither of whom are always above platitudes such as "You should have kept your pants on." But that reasoning is by now as reductive as suggesting that a rape victim "asked for it." Yes, people often act irresponsibly and yes, abortion should be avoided whenever possible. But just as women should not be punished for choosing to terminate a pregnancy, men should not be punished when those women choose not to.

One problem, of course, is that the child is likely to bear the brunt of whatever punishment remains to be doled out. A father who terminates his rights, although not technically a deadbeat dad, has still helped create a kid who is not fully supported. And (in case you were wondering) there are dozens of other holes in my theory as well: What if a husband wants to terminate his rights — should that be allowed? What if a father is underage and wants to terminate but his parents forbid him? Should a father's decision-making time be limited to the first trimester? Should couples on first dates discuss their positions on the matter? Should Internet dating profiles let men check a box saying "will waive parental rights" next to the box indicating his astrological sign?

There's also the danger that my idea is not just a slippery slope but a major mudslide on the way to Conley's idea. If a man can legally dissociate himself from a pregnancy, some will argue, why couldn't he also bind himself to it and force it to term? That notion horrifies me, just as my plan probably horrifies others. But that doesn't mean these ideas aren't worth discussing. Though it may be hard to find an adult male who's sufficiently undiplomatic to admit out loud that he'd like to have the option I'm proposing, let alone potentially take it, I know more than a few parents of teenage boys who lose sleep over the prospect of their sons landing in the kind of trouble from which they'll have no power to extricate themselves.

And although the notion of women "tricking" men into fatherhood now sounds arcane and sexist, we'd be blind not to recognize the extent to which some women are capable of tricking themselves into thinking men will stick around, despite all evidence to the contrary. Allowing men to legally (if not always gracefully) bow out of fatherhood would, at the very least, start a conversation for which we haven't yet found the right words.

Actually, there's one word we've had all along: choice. We just need to broaden its definition.
posted by:
Evan
Los Angeles
  • Re: Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

    Thu, February 9, 2006 - 9:35 PM
    This article raises an important issue that has been all but invisible in the debate over CHOICE. I am just wondering if it is harmful to the cause to post in a tribe with a description that is aggressively exclusive of women. Social change regarding this issue (or any issue really) won't come about without support from members of all populations. Any thoughts?
    • Re: Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

      Fri, February 10, 2006 - 2:33 PM
      Do you mean the name of the tribe?

      If so, then I don't think there's anything "aggressively exclusive of women" in the tribe name "men's rights" anymore than there is, by necessity, something "aggressively exclusive of men" in the tribe name "feminism."

      Or do you mean the title of the article?

      If so, then I don't see how you'd make the title more inclusive. Nor did I personally title the article. I just cut and pasted it.

      Yes, social change on this issue, or any issue, will likely only come when it is embraced with wide support from people of multiple segments of society. Again, I see nothing wrong with the name of the tribe or the title of the article in this regard. Nor do I see anything "aggressively exclusive of women" in any of it. Ultimately, it is about equal protection as provided under the constitution, and I think that speaks to all sectors of society pretty well.

      I don't expect many feminsts to celebrate this cause, however, as the majority of them have thus far fought tooth and nail against it, no matter who has suggested it or for what reasons.
      • Re: Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

        Fri, February 10, 2006 - 9:59 PM
        Since reading this article that you posted I have talked about it with many of my friends, many of whom are women, and every single one thought that this was fair. I think it's a great idea and a great start in making things fair.
        • Re: Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

          Fri, February 10, 2006 - 10:41 PM
          I agree. Equal protection is a pretty fundamental belief in our society. I think most people who believe in that concept would embrace choice for men...except the anti-abortionists, of course.
          • Re: Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

            Sat, February 11, 2006 - 3:33 PM
            I was referring to the description of the "Men's Rights" tribe. Specifically, where it says, "anti-feminism and exposing feminist lies and tactics." That seems to me to send the message that this tribe is aggressively exclusive of women.

            In regard to the article, I agree that it is a valid and important commentary on the issue of choice. Which is why I expressed concern for the context in which it is posted in the first place.

            I absolutely think this is a conversation that needs to be manifested in policy change.
            • Re: Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

              Sat, February 11, 2006 - 4:22 PM
              Ahh....

              Well, when I started this tribe, I did not intend it to be exclusive of women in any way. If I had, I would have made it a private, invite-only affair, and only invited women.

              Personally, I consider myself anti-feminist in the sense that I'm against many of the tactics and strategies used by the modern popular iteration of the feminist movement.

              I'm in favor of sexual equality under the law, and in favor of equality of opportunity. I see modern feminists as more interested in equality of outcome and in "more for women with no regard for men." I cannot agree with this approach, and thus consider myself anti-feminist.

              In my opinion, you're either for equal protection, equality under the law, and equality of opportunity for all, regardless of sex, or you're not. Organizations like NOW and the NCWO or the AAUW have actively opposed men who have fought for these things. When such mainstream feminist organizations as these oppose these things, I have to question if they're really about equality at all, or if they're just about "more for women." I've come to the conclusion that many don't give a damn about men, and hold us in contempt....

              So...take it or leave it.... It was part of my motive for creating this tribe. To show how feminists often don't support equal rights when it's men getting the short end of the stick.
  • Re: Shouldn't men have 'choice' too?

    Fri, March 10, 2006 - 1:26 PM
    Men's activists launch 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
    Group says men shouldn't have to pay support for unwanted children

    The Associated Press
    Updated: 6:17 p.m. ET March 8, 2006


    NEW YORK - Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men’s rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

    The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit — nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men — to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend’s daughter. The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution’s equal protection clause.

    The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

    “There’s such a spectrum of choice that women have — it’s her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions,” said Mel Feit, director of the men’s center. “I’m trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly.”


    Feit’s organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Mich.

    Not expecting to win case
    Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn’t want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that — because of a physical condition — she could not get pregnant.

    Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

    “What I expect to hear (from the court) is that the way things are is not really fair, but that’s the way it is,” he said in a telephone interview. “Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started.”

    State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society’s interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay’s case.

    “The courts are trying to say it may not be so fair that this gentleman has to support a child he didn’t want, but it’s less fair to say society has to pay the support,” she said.

    Feit, however, says a fatherhood opt-out wouldn’t necessarily impose higher costs on society or the mother. A woman who balked at abortion but felt she couldn’t afford to raise a child could put the baby up for adoption, he said.


    Anger over Roe comparison
    Jennifer Brown of the women’s rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men’s center comparing Dubay’s lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman’s right to have an abortion.

    “Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government — literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn’t want,” Brown said. “There’s nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized.”

    Feit counters that the suit’s reference to abortion rights is apt.

    “Roe says a woman can choose to have intimacy and still have control over subsequent consequences,” he said. “No one has ever asked a federal court if that means men should have some similar say.”

    “The problem is this is so politically incorrect,” Feit added. “The public is still dealing with the pre-Roe ethic when it comes to men, that if a man fathers a child, he should accept responsibility.”

    Feit doesn’t advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child.

    “If the woman changes her mind and wants the child, she should be responsible,” Feit said. “If she can’t take care of the child, adoption is a good alternative.”

    The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, acknowledged that disputes over unintended pregnancies can be complex and bitter.

    “None of these are easy questions,” said Gandy, a former prosecutor. “But most courts say it’s not about what he did or didn’t do or what she did or didn’t do. It’s about the rights of the child.”

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